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Ken Hansen | 1 Sep 03:41

Re[2]: Need input... need input... on SparcBook2

Multias can also take IDE drives - the cable is hard to find (44 pin laptop
IDE connector) but there is an IDE header & chipset supprt in the Multia.

Ken

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Hebel" <drone8of9 <at> crosswinds.net>
To: "Marc ZYNGIER" <rescue <at> sunhelp.org>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 4:10 PM
Subject: Re[2]: [rescue] Need input... need input... on SparcBook2

> MZ> Both are 2.5" form factor, so you'll have to find an adapter (or a Dec
> MZ> Multia, which uses 2.5" SCSI disks too...).
>
> MZ> I even think that the Multia solution might be the cheapets... :-)

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Ken Hansen | 1 Sep 03:48

Re: [geekd] word processing myths (was: nuking from orbit)

Pages are *outside* the HTML standard. Any support for such a thing would
have to come from the "browser", and for that page information to be used in
the HTML document in question would almost certainly require
custom/proprietary code.

The very flexibility inherent in HTML documents & browsers is *a good
thing*. To tinker with that I'd need a real good reason, and I can't think
of one right now.

How will you handle A4 vs US Letter size paper, for instance?

To produce well defined output would require a less flexible browser - think
PDF...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg A. Woods" <woods <at> weird.com>
To: <rescue <at> sunhelp.org>; "Sun Geeks List" <geeks <at> sunhelp.org>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 4:11 PM
Subject: [rescue] Re: [geekd] word processing myths (was: nuking from orbit)

> [[ FOLLOWUP ONLY TO GEEKS!!!! ]]
>
> [ On Friday, August 31, 2001 at 14:46:58 (-0400), Joshua D Boyd wrote: ]
> > Subject: Re: [rescue] Re: nuking from orbit
> >
> > In HTML, how do you do things like page numbers, or prevent the URL from
> > being printed, or citations at the bottom of each page?  I've done a few
> > papers in HTML, but others where too demanding for it.
>
> Htmldoc-1.7 and Mozilla-0.9.3 both do nice page numbers when printing,
> at least to PostScript....
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Kurt Huhn | 1 Sep 05:08

Re: [geekd] word processing myths (was: nuking from orbit)

> Pages are *outside* the HTML standard. Any support for such a thing would
> have to come from the "browser", and for that page information to be used
in
> the HTML document in question would almost certainly require
> custom/proprietary code.
>

Agreed.

Besides, as I said before - who needs page numbers.  That's what anchors and
links are for.

Kurt
PS: *attempting* to transfer to geeks....
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Scott Newell | 1 Sep 06:11

Worst rescue [was MY coolest rescue ever, nCUBE2]

I don't really have a favorite best rescue, but I do recall one deal I wish
I'd passed on:

DRMO had a mess of Intergraph Interpro 125 and 250s out in the warehouse,
and several sealed bid auctions went by with no activity on them.  I
figured that they'd probably be loaded with ram, and might have a decent
drive as well.  I fully expected any data files to be wiped, if not the
whole drive.  Put in the min bid of $25 (or was it $40?) at the next
auction and ended up with a 125, 20" monitor, keyboard, and a short RJ-45
patch cord.  Sure enough, the drive had been wiped, the mobo was serialized
(no cloned OS would work), Intergraph wouldn't discuss an OS without a very
expensive maintenance contract, no alternative free source OS was (or is?)
available, and the monitor was fixed frequency.

I managed to find a recycler that wanted to remove the ram chips from the
memory board, so I used a jigsaw (!) to saw off the memory section from the
relevant boards.  I then proceded to strip most of the logic boards with a
hot-air gun.  The recycler had offered something like $200 for the ram (32
MB, I think), but re-nigged when he saw that they were not fast page or
some other nonsense.  Argh.

I gave away the monitor to someone who couldn't use it either, stuck the
5.25" drive in the closet, tossed the case, put the clipper CPU in the
drawer, and cursed my own foolishness.  Oh, and the 80186 from the network
board never made it into any homebrew embedded project because it was in a
LCC package, and the required socket cost more than the processor.

I'm still using the RJ-45 patch cord--it turned out to be the most
expensive 6 foot cable I own!
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Patrick Giagnocavo | 1 Sep 06:44

Worst rescue [was MY coolest rescue ever, nCUBE2]

I bought a Sun3/160 w 16 or 32MB RAM in 7 foot cabinet.

On top:  9 track tape drive.  In the middle: VME card cage.  On the bottom:
2 or 3 14" Eagle SMD drives plus an extra one or two - total giggage was
1.7GB I think, may have been 1.3.

Paid about $300 or $500 for it in 1994.  It came with the ALM-2 serial
board(s) as well.

I never ended up using it, and because I moved to Denver CO for a few
years, it ended up getting dumpstered !  I wasn't able to boot it after I
screwed up /vmunix (didn't have tapes for it and this was before netbsd
supported it) - learning not to FTP things into / while logged in as root
was a worthwhile lesson, but certainly an expensive one!

I have done better in buying hardware since...most of the time.

Cordially
--
Patrick Giagnocavo
patrick <at> zill.net
Web Hosting:  http://www.zill.net/
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Mike Nicewonger | 1 Sep 07:16

FS: HP 712/60 128MB 2GB disk

Geez, that is a nice deal!! 

If you are looking for a nice small UNIX box grab one of those!!

-Mike N

On Sat, 01 Sep 2001, you wrote:

> HP 712/60
> 2GB disk
> One unit has 128MB, other has 64.
> HP-UX 10.20 or 11.0 loaded, buyer's choice.  Might be talked into
> loading NeXTStep 3.3.
> 
> For those that don't know these units, they are pizza box units,
> built-in framebuffer (standard vga connector), use PS/2 mouse, kb, and
> standard PC floppy.  It is likely that they were intended to be the NeXT
> RISC Workstation before that deal got killed.  The framebuffer is an odd
> beast in that it is 8bit but has a nifty color-recovery system that lets
> you actually use netscape and other color-theft applications without
> trouble.
> 
> Asking $30 each, plus shipping from 77477.  They're light, so shipping
> shouldn't be much.
> 
> Reagen
> _______________________________________________
> rescue maillist  -  rescue <at> sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
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Mike Nicewonger | 1 Sep 07:17

FS: HP 712/60 128MB 2GB disk

On Sat, 01 Sep 2001, you wrote:
> I would be interested in the 128MB one with NS 3.3.  That is, I want to buy it!
> 
> What monitor can they use?
> 
They work with ANY PeeCee monitor

They have a clever way to set the monitor up. There is also a PDF with the
owner's manual on HP's web site.

-Mike N
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Joshua D Boyd | 1 Sep 07:24

Re: nuking from orbit

On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 02:32:31PM -0500, Bill Bradford wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 02:46:58PM -0400, Joshua D Boyd wrote:
> > In HTML, how do you do things like page numbers, or prevent the URL from
> > being printed, or citations at the bottom of each page?  I've done a few
> > papers in HTML, but others where too demanding for it.
> 
> You go to "print preferences" or "page setup" in your browser before you 
> print.

I'm assuming that you are refering to getting rid of the URL and
controlling page numbering.  A quick scan of the Edit->Preferences dialog
and the File->Print dialog in Mozilla show no such options.

I'll have to check out Netscape on one of the Suns (trying to somehow
relate to old machines, since all my Suns are old).

I hear MathML is very good, but I've never tried it.  I do need to do Math
typesetting not all that infrequently, and of course, this is what TeX and
LaTeX where made for.  In more than one class, people have complained that
my output from LaTeX that I dashed together in 20mins was making their
hours of hardwork in Word look bad.  

They obviously didn't really care about increasing the presentation of
their own work (and saving time as well) since they declined to learn
LaTeX when I offered to help them.

It's not like I'm a seasoned pro.  I really only know how to take one of
my existing templates gotten from friends to start a document, then add
text and math formulas, and the ocassional graphic.  I don't even know how
to change fonts or other simple reformatting tasks in it.
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Patrick Giagnocavo | 1 Sep 07:26

FS: HP 712/60 128MB 2GB disk

I would be interested in the 128MB one with NS 3.3.  That is, I want to buy it!

What monitor can they use?

Cordially
--
Patrick Giagnocavo
patrick <at> zill.net
Web Hosting:  http://www.zill.net/
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Mike Nicewonger | 1 Sep 07:29

FS: HP 712/60 128MB 2GB disk

On Sat, 01 Sep 2001, you wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 01:16:44AM -0400, Mike Nicewonger wrote:
> > Geez, that is a nice deal!! 
> 
> I thought it might be.  I got the units for $20 each, and the drives/RAM
> were free.  I used them for some experimentation, but I have a pair of
> C110s now.

C-110's rock :)

I have moved up from my C-110 to a J-210 with dual proc's, 1 GB memory :)
although I have to admit, a 712/80 I have NS 3.3 on was cool!!

-Bill your C-110 will ship Tuesday for sure :)

-Mike N
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