From steve at quintile.net Mon Nov 8 06:44:52 2004 From: steve at quintile.net (Steve Simon) Date: Mon Nov 8 16:45:18 2004 Subject: [TUHS] wwb Message-ID: <6fbf350c4c842c0fab3d1f892b696f5f@quintile.net> Hi, Anyone know the status of the writers workbench (WWB) which was a seperate package even in System III days I think. I know about style and diction which was shipped with BSD4.1 which (again wooly memory) was an early subset of the whole wwb package. I was hoping to compile it up and use it to help me improve my written English! -Steve From arnold at skeeve.com Mon Nov 8 14:47:45 2004 From: arnold at skeeve.com (Aharon Robbins) Date: Tue Nov 9 01:24:49 2004 Subject: [TUHS] wwb Message-ID: <200411081247.iA8CljYI006465@skeeve.com> I once asked Brian Kernighan about style and diction. His response was rather uncomplimentary; it's net meaning was "don't bother with them". As I recall, wwb was style, diction, maybe one or two other related programs, and the ditroff suite: troff, tbl, eqn, pic, and various macro packages. For the troff stuff, you're better off with groff, anyway. Arnold > From: "Steve Simon" > Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 06:44:52 0000 > To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org > > Hi, > > Anyone know the status of the writers workbench (WWB) > which was a seperate package even in System III days > I think. > > I know about style and diction which was shipped with BSD4.1 > which (again wooly memory) was an early subset of the > whole wwb package. > > I was hoping to compile it up and use it to help me > improve my written English! > > -Steve From txomsy at yahoo.es Tue Nov 16 16:53:32 2004 From: txomsy at yahoo.es (Jose R. Valverde) Date: Wed Nov 17 02:00:29 2004 Subject: [TUHS] Ultrix from CD on SIMH Message-ID: <20041116165332.5ae15a0b.txomsy@yahoo.es> Has anybody succeeded installing Ultrix v4.4/4.5 for the VAX on SIMH from DEC CD-ROM distribution? I've been trying but when it goes to device detection it always turns up with an empty list. I mean, the install kernel boots, detects the virtual hard disk and the CD-ROM, the install program starts and reaches the installation menu (options for BASIC or ADVANCED) and it's then, when choosing any option that it does not detect any suitable install device. It's been about 10 years since last I installed Ultrix on a VAX and to be true, I can hardly remember all the details involved. It this doesn't work, I'll try to go back to legacy tapes (if I can still find any around). j -- These opinions are mine and only mine. Hey man, I saw them first! Jos? R. Valverde De nada sirve la Inteligencia Artificial cuando falta la Natural -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://minnie.tuhs.org/pipermail/tuhs/attachments/20041116/73fc6ee2/attachment.bin From jfoust at threedee.com Tue Nov 16 10:20:26 2004 From: jfoust at threedee.com (John Foust) Date: Wed Nov 17 02:28:41 2004 Subject: [TUHS] Old USENET Source Code available In-Reply-To: <200409261009.i8QA9Ajt020336@skeeve.com> References: <200409261009.i8QA9Ajt020336@skeeve.com> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20041116100841.05442bc8@pc> At 04:09 AM 9/26/2004, Aharon Robbins wrote: >A few weeks ago, in a fit of nostalgia, I decided to gather together >a personal copy of the various Usenet source groups as still available >at places like gatekeeper.dec.com and ftp.uu.net. The result is >a collection of six newsgroups, net.sources, and then >comp.sources.{games,misc,x,unix,reviewed}. Consider giving a copy to Google. Back in August 2000 they were looking for old Usenet news archive CDs such as those from Sterling Software, pre-dating 1995. At the time, I pointed a few leads to and exchanged a few messages with Michael Schmitt . This applies to anyone with old backup tapes of Usenet news, of course. - John From tih at hamartun.priv.no Sun Nov 21 21:05:04 2004 From: tih at hamartun.priv.no (Tom Ivar Helbekkmo) Date: Mon Nov 22 06:29:51 2004 Subject: [TUHS] Ultrix from CD on SIMH In-Reply-To: <20041116165332.5ae15a0b.txomsy@yahoo.es> (Jose R. Valverde's message of "Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:53:32 +0100") References: <20041116165332.5ae15a0b.txomsy@yahoo.es> Message-ID: "Jose R. Valverde" writes: > I've been trying but when it goes to device detection it always turns > up with an empty list. I mean, the install kernel boots, detects the > virtual hard disk and the CD-ROM, the install program starts and reaches > the installation menu (options for BASIC or ADVANCED) and it's then, > when choosing any option that it does not detect any suitable install > device. I know that I figured out, a number of years back, how to install Ultrix on non-supported media. It involved aborting the install, editing the install script to "recognize" the target media, and then restarting the script. You might want to experiment with this... -tih -- Popularity is the hallmark of mediocrity. --Niles Crane, "Frasier" From sethm at loomcom.com Tue Nov 30 19:57:18 2004 From: sethm at loomcom.com (Seth Morabito) Date: Wed Dec 1 14:04:38 2004 Subject: [TUHS] Ultrix from CD on SIMH In-Reply-To: References: <20041116165332.5ae15a0b.txomsy@yahoo.es> Message-ID: <41AD411E.4020005@loomcom.com> Tom Ivar Helbekkmo wrote: > "Jose R. Valverde" writes: > > >>I've been trying but when it goes to device detection it always turns >>up with an empty list. I mean, the install kernel boots, detects the >>virtual hard disk and the CD-ROM, the install program starts and reaches >>the installation menu (options for BASIC or ADVANCED) and it's then, >>when choosing any option that it does not detect any suitable install >>device. > > > I know that I figured out, a number of years back, how to install > Ultrix on non-supported media. It involved aborting the install, > editing the install script to "recognize" the target media, and then > restarting the script. You might want to experiment with this... > > -tih I've managed to do this by editing the ULTRIX install script, 'install.1', to support installing from RA disks. It turned out to be quite simple. I have media and licenses for ULTRIX and UWS V4.3 (My media is AG-ND76E-RE, September 1992), so that's what I used for this experiment. I don't know how ULTRIX 4.2, 4.4, or 4.5 would differ, you will have to experiment. I just used dd to dump the CD-ROM image (i.e., "dd if=/dev/cdrom of=ultrix.iso bs=512") I then set up SIMH with the following commands. You may be able to play around with this and choose a different disk setup, but this is what worked for me: set cpu 64M set rq0 ra90 set rq1 ra90 set rq2 cdrom set rq3 disable attach rq0 d0.dsk attach rq1 d1.dsk attach rq2 ultrix.iso ULTRIX will see rq0 as /dev/ra0*, rq1 as /dev/ra1, etc. RA90 is supported under ULTRIX 4.3, RA92 is not, and RA60 failed to work for me, so my disk choices were limited. Your milage may vary. At the sim> prompt, type "b cpu" to boot the CPU. Then at the VAX >>> prompt, type "b dua2" to boot from the CD-ROM. You'll be greeted by the ULTRIX installer. It has a menu like: Select one of the following options: 1) BASIC Installation 2) ADVANCED Installation 3) System management Choose "3", which dumps you at a standalone shell, so you can edit the installer script, 'install.1' The only editor available in this environment is 'ed' (The Standard Editor!). Invoke it with the command: # ed install.1 If you have the same ULTRIX media I have, then you can just use these commands: 173s/`btd`/ra2/ 193s/rz/ra/ w q If you have a different version of the installer, the line numbers might be different, so you'll have to poke around in the file yourself. Here's what to look for: Line 173 reads "BTD=`btd`". On SIMH, /bin/btd returns an empty string, so we're just explicitly setting BTD to 'ra2', the CDROM drive. Line 193 is part of a case statement that switches on the value of $BTD, but there's no support for 'ra', so we'll just change the line that reads "rz *)" to "ra *)" instead. Voila! The script should now work. Type "w" to write out the file, "q" to quit. Then type ^D to exit the shell and return to the installation script. This time, choose "2) ADVANCED installation", and select the first RA90 device as the root disk. You should be able to install normally from here on out. -Seth